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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://sparklife.info/blog/2009/10/friend-zone/#comment-3860</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 05:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Sam, much appreciated.</description>
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		<title>By: Samuel McCrohan</title>
		<link>http://sparklife.info/blog/2009/10/friend-zone/#comment-3859</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel McCrohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again Harry,

There could well be validity in all three of your points.

As I mentioned before, people react and cope very differently to upsetting circumstances in their personal life and understandably, her mood and emotions may be very changeable.

If she doesn&#039;t seem receptive at certain times or seems preoccupied with the personal issues you mention, unless you think you can directly comfort her or change her mood at the time, I would try not to get too roped into those instances and try and catch her another time when she is more receptive.

As for her ex-boyfriend, even if it seems he still has some sort of &#039;hold&#039; over her (which is understandable for such a long relationship), the emotional roller-coaster he is putting her through is doing him no favours.

In fact, if anything it only heightens your value if you continue to be her source of fun, positivity and attraction, like you mentioned.

The amount of space you should give her should be determined by how well you think she is dealing with each of these personal issues. Like you say, you don&#039;t want your relationship with her to ever seem like a chore, a trouble or a &quot;complication&quot;.

Keep me posted with how things go,

Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again Harry,</p>
<p>There could well be validity in all three of your points.</p>
<p>As I mentioned before, people react and cope very differently to upsetting circumstances in their personal life and understandably, her mood and emotions may be very changeable.</p>
<p>If she doesn&#8217;t seem receptive at certain times or seems preoccupied with the personal issues you mention, unless you think you can directly comfort her or change her mood at the time, I would try not to get too roped into those instances and try and catch her another time when she is more receptive.</p>
<p>As for her ex-boyfriend, even if it seems he still has some sort of &#8216;hold&#8217; over her (which is understandable for such a long relationship), the emotional roller-coaster he is putting her through is doing him no favours.</p>
<p>In fact, if anything it only heightens your value if you continue to be her source of fun, positivity and attraction, like you mentioned.</p>
<p>The amount of space you should give her should be determined by how well you think she is dealing with each of these personal issues. Like you say, you don&#8217;t want your relationship with her to ever seem like a chore, a trouble or a &#8220;complication&#8221;.</p>
<p>Keep me posted with how things go,</p>
<p>Sam</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://sparklife.info/blog/2009/10/friend-zone/#comment-3856</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam, thanks for the reply, all excellent advice.

I&#039;d like to give you an update.

You&#039;re not going to believe this but more drama has arrived. A few weeks ago her mother became Ill, and they have since found out that it is life-threatening. Her brother has moved back from overseas to help care for her mother.

Things were going well until about a week ago. The usual weekly coffee; last week I could tell she was really into me and she took the initiative for a kiss this time.

I called on the weekend and she was sobbing. I knew that there had been a fight at home. The mother and father have big fights with each other and the children. She said she would call the next day but didn&#039;t. I left it for a couple of days and gave her a call tonight. I knew immediately that something was wrong. She was cold and short with me. She told me that she found out that her ex boyfriend (the one who I suspected was lurking in the background) had been seeing one of her friends, and that she found herself in a drunken rage, driving to his house to scream at him. I&#039;m not sure what happened exactly, and I&#039;m not interested in the details to be honest. She then made some comment about &quot;I don&#039;t need any more complications in my life right now - I&#039;ll call you tomorrow&quot;.

Here is how I am interpreting the situation.

1. She likes me but sees me as someone who would complicate her life.
2. She still has feelings for the ex.
3. The combination of all the drama is exhausting her and causing her to become depressed and make irrational choices.

I&#039;m a pretty laid back person, so my natural reaction in this situation would be to give her time, try to always be positive and fun to be around to cheer her up and not push too hard, while still making it clear that I&#039;m interested. My problem however is the ex bf. As much of a prick as he is, he still has some type of hold over her.

My question is therefore: Do you think I should give her more space, and if so how could I do this without the ex bf stepping in?

Once again your insights are greatly appreciated :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam, thanks for the reply, all excellent advice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to give you an update.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not going to believe this but more drama has arrived. A few weeks ago her mother became Ill, and they have since found out that it is life-threatening. Her brother has moved back from overseas to help care for her mother.</p>
<p>Things were going well until about a week ago. The usual weekly coffee; last week I could tell she was really into me and she took the initiative for a kiss this time.</p>
<p>I called on the weekend and she was sobbing. I knew that there had been a fight at home. The mother and father have big fights with each other and the children. She said she would call the next day but didn&#8217;t. I left it for a couple of days and gave her a call tonight. I knew immediately that something was wrong. She was cold and short with me. She told me that she found out that her ex boyfriend (the one who I suspected was lurking in the background) had been seeing one of her friends, and that she found herself in a drunken rage, driving to his house to scream at him. I&#8217;m not sure what happened exactly, and I&#8217;m not interested in the details to be honest. She then made some comment about &#8220;I don&#8217;t need any more complications in my life right now &#8211; I&#8217;ll call you tomorrow&#8221;.</p>
<p>Here is how I am interpreting the situation.</p>
<p>1. She likes me but sees me as someone who would complicate her life.<br />
2. She still has feelings for the ex.<br />
3. The combination of all the drama is exhausting her and causing her to become depressed and make irrational choices.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a pretty laid back person, so my natural reaction in this situation would be to give her time, try to always be positive and fun to be around to cheer her up and not push too hard, while still making it clear that I&#8217;m interested. My problem however is the ex bf. As much of a prick as he is, he still has some type of hold over her.</p>
<p>My question is therefore: Do you think I should give her more space, and if so how could I do this without the ex bf stepping in?</p>
<p>Once again your insights are greatly appreciated <img src='http://sparklife.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Samuel McCrohan</title>
		<link>http://sparklife.info/blog/2009/10/friend-zone/#comment-3786</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel McCrohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Harry,

This is obviously a delicate situation you’re in but you’re on the right track... It might just take a bit longer for things to develop than you are used to.

The girl you speak of will have her own ways of dealing with the bad things that have happened in her life and you definitely want to respect that. Without all the details it is hard for me to know exactly how she is feeling but I imagine that she possibly fears getting hurt again.

Whilst a woman might say she is not ready for a relationship and wants to be temporarily single, a relationship is ideally a smooth escalation of intimacy and connection, so it is more her logical mind speaking rather than how she would react emotionally if things progress with you.

As the old saying goes, ‘attraction isn’t a choice’! As you know though, the key in this instance is finding the balance between not being too forward and not being too distant.

The only way you’ll end up in the ‘friend zone’ is if you treat her exclusively as a friend. This may well be an intention of hers to prevent having the pressure or risk of a relationship with you.

The physical escalation is where you are likely to come across as too forward, so I would only do stuff like that if she is responding positively (such as the kiss the other week, which is obviously a good thing). Even without physically escalating, continuing to state your intent and telling her in a non-needy way how much you like her and more importantly WHY you like her, will start to make her consider you as boyfriend material.

Your attitude about being fun and having lots to talk about is great so I would definitely continue with that. Each time you meet up, try also finding a way that you can progress the relationship even slightly (either physically or emotionally), else you risk become the fun, listening friend that she hangs out with. Try to avoid communicating that she is anything like ‘the only one for you’ at this stage but continue to ensure that she does know your interest as you take two steps forward, one step back, each time you meet.

It seems like the attraction is definitely there on her part so you just have to ensure that things do actually progress at whatever speed seems appropriate whilst maintaining that level of attraction. :)

Let me know how things progress,

Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Harry,</p>
<p>This is obviously a delicate situation you’re in but you’re on the right track&#8230; It might just take a bit longer for things to develop than you are used to.</p>
<p>The girl you speak of will have her own ways of dealing with the bad things that have happened in her life and you definitely want to respect that. Without all the details it is hard for me to know exactly how she is feeling but I imagine that she possibly fears getting hurt again.</p>
<p>Whilst a woman might say she is not ready for a relationship and wants to be temporarily single, a relationship is ideally a smooth escalation of intimacy and connection, so it is more her logical mind speaking rather than how she would react emotionally if things progress with you.</p>
<p>As the old saying goes, ‘attraction isn’t a choice’! As you know though, the key in this instance is finding the balance between not being too forward and not being too distant.</p>
<p>The only way you’ll end up in the ‘friend zone’ is if you treat her exclusively as a friend. This may well be an intention of hers to prevent having the pressure or risk of a relationship with you.</p>
<p>The physical escalation is where you are likely to come across as too forward, so I would only do stuff like that if she is responding positively (such as the kiss the other week, which is obviously a good thing). Even without physically escalating, continuing to state your intent and telling her in a non-needy way how much you like her and more importantly WHY you like her, will start to make her consider you as boyfriend material.</p>
<p>Your attitude about being fun and having lots to talk about is great so I would definitely continue with that. Each time you meet up, try also finding a way that you can progress the relationship even slightly (either physically or emotionally), else you risk become the fun, listening friend that she hangs out with. Try to avoid communicating that she is anything like ‘the only one for you’ at this stage but continue to ensure that she does know your interest as you take two steps forward, one step back, each time you meet.</p>
<p>It seems like the attraction is definitely there on her part so you just have to ensure that things do actually progress at whatever speed seems appropriate whilst maintaining that level of attraction. <img src='http://sparklife.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Let me know how things progress,</p>
<p>Sam</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://sparklife.info/blog/2009/10/friend-zone/#comment-3783</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam, I only found your website today and I think that you provide some excellent information. I&#039;m in a situation at the moment and I would be very grateful for any advice that you may be able to offer.

I met this girl a couple of months ago and after a few minutes was able to get her number (I&#039;m OK when it comes to the approach). Over the next couple of weeks we caught up a few times, and as it turns out she is pretty much exactly what I am looking for. I know that she enjoys my company (it only took her a couple of weeks to invite me to a dinner with her parents) and I always make sure that I&#039;m fun company, but there are a couple of hurdles that have appeared.

1. She has had an awful 12 months with the death of a very close family member, and she has had to spend time looking after another family member who is not coping so well. This then caused her to fail several subjects at university, and she ended up deferring for a semester.

2. While she was away for the funeral, her boyfriend of several years started cheating on her. This went on for months before she found out, and the relationship ended 3 months ago. During that period the boyfriend also didn&#039;t turn up to her birthday party. Apparently he continues to contact her now and then, and I get the feeling he is trying to win her back.

Because of all of this drama it became apparent to me that she would be unlikely to rush into a serious relationship, and this was confirmed during a drunken conversation a few nights ago when she said &#039;I promised myself that I would focus on me for the time being&#039;. She also has good and bad days; on the bad days she doesn&#039;t return calls/texts and so on.

My problem is not waiting for her - she is definitely worth the effort and I can easily keep myself occupied with work. My problem is that I don&#039;t want to lose her interest and fall into the friend zone. But at the same time I don&#039;t want to come across as too aggressive, because she is still quite fragile and I genuinely care for her wellbeing. Last week I kissed her (which was reciprocated) but I got the feeling that she thought I was moving too quickly.

My question therefore is: what is the best way for me to approach this? We catch up about once per week for coffee or dinner, so I just try to make sure that I am fun company and we always have plenty to talk about. She understands that I am interested in her, so there is definitely no confusion.

Any advice that you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks =]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam, I only found your website today and I think that you provide some excellent information. I&#8217;m in a situation at the moment and I would be very grateful for any advice that you may be able to offer.</p>
<p>I met this girl a couple of months ago and after a few minutes was able to get her number (I&#8217;m OK when it comes to the approach). Over the next couple of weeks we caught up a few times, and as it turns out she is pretty much exactly what I am looking for. I know that she enjoys my company (it only took her a couple of weeks to invite me to a dinner with her parents) and I always make sure that I&#8217;m fun company, but there are a couple of hurdles that have appeared.</p>
<p>1. She has had an awful 12 months with the death of a very close family member, and she has had to spend time looking after another family member who is not coping so well. This then caused her to fail several subjects at university, and she ended up deferring for a semester.</p>
<p>2. While she was away for the funeral, her boyfriend of several years started cheating on her. This went on for months before she found out, and the relationship ended 3 months ago. During that period the boyfriend also didn&#8217;t turn up to her birthday party. Apparently he continues to contact her now and then, and I get the feeling he is trying to win her back.</p>
<p>Because of all of this drama it became apparent to me that she would be unlikely to rush into a serious relationship, and this was confirmed during a drunken conversation a few nights ago when she said &#8216;I promised myself that I would focus on me for the time being&#8217;. She also has good and bad days; on the bad days she doesn&#8217;t return calls/texts and so on.</p>
<p>My problem is not waiting for her &#8211; she is definitely worth the effort and I can easily keep myself occupied with work. My problem is that I don&#8217;t want to lose her interest and fall into the friend zone. But at the same time I don&#8217;t want to come across as too aggressive, because she is still quite fragile and I genuinely care for her wellbeing. Last week I kissed her (which was reciprocated) but I got the feeling that she thought I was moving too quickly.</p>
<p>My question therefore is: what is the best way for me to approach this? We catch up about once per week for coffee or dinner, so I just try to make sure that I am fun company and we always have plenty to talk about. She understands that I am interested in her, so there is definitely no confusion.</p>
<p>Any advice that you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks =]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://sparklife.info/blog/2009/10/friend-zone/#comment-3278</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been a perennial problem for guys and your article is sure to help at least a few of us :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been a perennial problem for guys and your article is sure to help at least a few of us <img src='http://sparklife.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Samuel McCrohan</title>
		<link>http://sparklife.info/blog/2009/10/friend-zone/#comment-3167</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel McCrohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Philip,

Sounds interesting... I’ll be sure to check out your book! Although I have a reading list the length of the Great Wall of China, I am always looking for new perspectives.

Good luck with it,

Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Philip,</p>
<p>Sounds interesting&#8230; I’ll be sure to check out your book! Although I have a reading list the length of the Great Wall of China, I am always looking for new perspectives.</p>
<p>Good luck with it,</p>
<p>Sam</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Nork</title>
		<link>http://sparklife.info/blog/2009/10/friend-zone/#comment-3163</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Nork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bad boy or nice guy question comes up in my book &quot;Sensitivity 101 for the Heterosexual Male&quot; along with 10 lessons all men need to learn. Check it our at Amazon.com or my website. I&#039;m following this blog...great info to share. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bad boy or nice guy question comes up in my book &#8220;Sensitivity 101 for the Heterosexual Male&#8221; along with 10 lessons all men need to learn. Check it our at Amazon.com or my website. I&#8217;m following this blog&#8230;great info to share. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel McCrohan</title>
		<link>http://sparklife.info/blog/2009/10/friend-zone/#comment-3157</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel McCrohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cindy,

I’ve actually seen the situation you describe occur more times than I can remember with many of my female friends, including my girlfriend and some of her male friends in fact, so it isn’t too uncommon.

What it comes down to is the way men are taught to read female sub-communications. Men are not always the best at interpreting these cues and can easily confuse affection for attraction. This can often be something as simple as you being enthusiastic when you talk to them. Obviously you don’t want to change how you act around your friends but there are some ways in which you can spot if their intentions are contrastive.

The easiest way is if you notice that they are doing things around you or for you that you know they wouldn’t do with their other friends, or if they are going out of their way to spend time with you or do things for you that are out of character. Men (usually younger men that are less socially experienced) will be very forthcoming and needy in both their body-language and interactions with you long before they actually admit their feelings to anyone, so learning to spot these signs is how you will be able to know what is going on.

If a friend does admit his feelings for you and they aren’t reciprocated, the worst thing you can do is continue acting as if nothing has happened and give them hope or signs that you will sporadically change your mind. Sometimes ‘tough love’ is the best remedy!

Thanks for your question Cindy, :)

Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cindy,</p>
<p>I’ve actually seen the situation you describe occur more times than I can remember with many of my female friends, including my girlfriend and some of her male friends in fact, so it isn’t too uncommon.</p>
<p>What it comes down to is the way men are taught to read female sub-communications. Men are not always the best at interpreting these cues and can easily confuse affection for attraction. This can often be something as simple as you being enthusiastic when you talk to them. Obviously you don’t want to change how you act around your friends but there are some ways in which you can spot if their intentions are contrastive.</p>
<p>The easiest way is if you notice that they are doing things around you or for you that you know they wouldn’t do with their other friends, or if they are going out of their way to spend time with you or do things for you that are out of character. Men (usually younger men that are less socially experienced) will be very forthcoming and needy in both their body-language and interactions with you long before they actually admit their feelings to anyone, so learning to spot these signs is how you will be able to know what is going on.</p>
<p>If a friend does admit his feelings for you and they aren’t reciprocated, the worst thing you can do is continue acting as if nothing has happened and give them hope or signs that you will sporadically change your mind. Sometimes ‘tough love’ is the best remedy!</p>
<p>Thanks for your question Cindy, <img src='http://sparklife.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sam</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel McCrohan</title>
		<link>http://sparklife.info/blog/2009/10/friend-zone/#comment-3156</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel McCrohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jon,

What I mean by the window of opportunity is that there are certain points in the process of meeting, attracting and connecting with someone where the relationship should escalate in order to progress to the next level of intimacy. In conventional, adult relationships this normally means physically.

Some of these windows of opportunity are more prevalent or noticeable than others; a common, somewhat cliché one being a couple’s first kiss, although there are many more intricate stages as well.

As more and more of these ‘moments’ pass by unfulfilled, the more passive person in the relationship will start to assume that nothing romantic will manifest, which is when they will start framing the other person in a friendship role, be it consciously or subconsciously.

So what it is really saying is that in the ideal situation, if you really like someone then you want to progress the relationship at every available opportunity to avoid ever becoming ‘just a friend’.

I hope that explains it a bit better, :)

Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jon,</p>
<p>What I mean by the window of opportunity is that there are certain points in the process of meeting, attracting and connecting with someone where the relationship should escalate in order to progress to the next level of intimacy. In conventional, adult relationships this normally means physically.</p>
<p>Some of these windows of opportunity are more prevalent or noticeable than others; a common, somewhat cliché one being a couple’s first kiss, although there are many more intricate stages as well.</p>
<p>As more and more of these ‘moments’ pass by unfulfilled, the more passive person in the relationship will start to assume that nothing romantic will manifest, which is when they will start framing the other person in a friendship role, be it consciously or subconsciously.</p>
<p>So what it is really saying is that in the ideal situation, if you really like someone then you want to progress the relationship at every available opportunity to avoid ever becoming ‘just a friend’.</p>
<p>I hope that explains it a bit better, <img src='http://sparklife.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sam</p>
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